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Post by Maigan on Nov 1, 2001 10:53:30 GMT -5
Was covered by the news tonight.
With all the boat people being turned back - well they'd better not come via Indonesia LOL
Actually, looking at this seriously, we have a huge coastline and a very loose population. Australia would be a pushover. And most of our population is concentrated in a pretty small area.
The Olympics means that Sydney has reasonable security but you can't protect against these guys.
It doesn't seem to be a very worthwhile target - unless seen as a staunch ally of the US.
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Post by ElricMorlockin on Nov 1, 2001 11:28:11 GMT -5
Thats truly unfortunate Maigan! I hope nothing of the same thing happens to ya'll that has/is happening to us over here, for that matter no one else on the globe! Perhaps your legislature will repeal its gun confiscation now? Who knows, but one things for sure one loose cannon in a shopping mall or for that matter on the street can kill quite a few people with out much ado! If Aussie-Land is anything like the states, the bastards will use the freedom of mobility against you! Again, I hope nothing comes of it with those psychopaths running amok right now.
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Post by Maigan on Nov 1, 2001 14:42:00 GMT -5
I put up my initial reaction of hilarity because it occurred to me that this was probably how a lot of Americans would have felt before Sept 11.
It is so unreasonable to us (despite the fact that we have sent troops) and the Muslim population here must be totaly shocked. In addition Australia has long Afghani association through one of our cultural groupings.
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Post by pedro2112 on Nov 1, 2001 16:03:50 GMT -5
It is so unreasonable to us (despite the fact that we have sent troops) and the Muslim population here must be totaly shocked. In addition Australia has long Afghani association through one of our cultural groupings. What does reason have to do with it? Bin Laden called for a jihad against the US a couple of years ago. Are you suggesting that was "reasonable?" I also suspect that a good portion of Aussie muslim's will not be "shocked".. but rather that they will support the jihad. I've read a lot of statements by aussie muslims that suggest they fully support bin ladin over ANY thing else, including their own countries which allow them to live in freedom. Your last sentence reveals your naiveite. What difference does it make how "good" you have been to the afghanis. Over the last 10 years, the US has sent more humanitarian aid into afghanistan than all other countries and orginzations in the world combined. Yet, the mullahs and Imams continue to spout the lies about the US and the West. Remember that Nato just fought a war in the balkans to protect muslims; that too is ignored. These radicals hate us (you and I) and cheer in the streets when thousands die in crumbling office towers.
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Post by Maigan on Nov 1, 2001 16:08:15 GMT -5
I'm an optimist LOL. You are quite right Pedro. *sigh*
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Post by MasterD_Evil on Nov 1, 2001 16:10:04 GMT -5
You guys do know that the Jihad originally only was fought on Arabian ground. That's right, religious fanatics twisted their own religion so they could wage a war everywhere. Though the original Jihad only served to either drive out or convert all heathens to muslims.
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Post by Lord Bane on Nov 2, 2001 8:34:47 GMT -5
Although what you said is with little doubt true, Unnamed One, it's of little relevance. Religion evolves in time, changes, mutates even, so making reference to how a certain religion was professed a couple of centuries ago is useless to all but a historicus. It's how present day leaders interpret the words of the Books, and how the mob picks up the leaders words. Say Pedro, please don't take this the wrong way, but in all fairness I think these zealots hate you and Elric, not me or Maigan (we're way too sympathetic ). Osama always spoke of a war with the US, not with "the West", and that he's now declaring war on other countries as well has everything to do with their allegiance with the US, IMHO.
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Post by MasterD_Evil on Nov 2, 2001 9:22:20 GMT -5
Hey LB, it's M(D)E. Oh, and I agree that it matters how religion is seen the present day, but my point is that fanatical muslims have twisted their own religion so they could wage a Jihad all over the world. This is not evolution (well ok, it is, but the point is that it's done through lies). Then again, Christianity had it's Inquisition as well...
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Post by Lord Bane on Nov 2, 2001 9:37:34 GMT -5
Oh. Hey there And you're right, of course, fanatics per definition twist things, sad enough.
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Post by ElricMorlockin on Nov 2, 2001 10:27:08 GMT -5
Wait! Wait! Wait,wait,wait,wait! We simply cant have this! MDE as a "friendly, mischievous cat?" no...no...no...no..no.! LB, ya know it doenst really bother me all that much that a nutcase can find it in his black heart to "hate me". Millions hate me without even knowing who I am. Though I have no sympathy for their political leanings etc (obviously) I still respect the Islamic religion. But, dont fool yourself, which you obviously are, they hate you to. I know, I know, its tough for you to believe...... But they would rather see you dead than breathing oxygen mis amigo. If it at all worries you, that terrorism will find you next, since your country is friendly towards us, as a "free" society you should then urge your government to break its ties with us In my mind LB, I want like minded people on my side when things get tough and dont want anyone around me that lacks the resolve to do what is necessary. This is not an accusation (though you have state your point of view quite often), but I take this same approach in most of my lifes decisions as well. Anarchists and quitters just wind up sidetracking progression.
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Post by Lord Bane on Nov 2, 2001 12:38:27 GMT -5
Ok, let me rephrase my words. I think they hate you more than they hate us. Better ? Sure, hatred is hatred, but just like everything else in life that ain't absolute either.
It's interesting to see, though, that you equate a different point of view than yours with lacking a backbone (or resolve as you put it).
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Post by ElricMorlockin on Nov 2, 2001 13:00:45 GMT -5
No need to clarify senor Bane, I understand what you mean! Just thought I'd throw that two cents in there for your review! A different point of view lacking backbone? Not at all, hell the terrorists I'd have to honestly say, do in fact have a set of "brass ones", for lack of a better word, to heartlessly do what they do. They have a different point of view than mine, but definitely dont lack the "spine" to do what they do. My point was about solving problems LB, and lets face it, this *IS* a problem. The solution to the problem is going to take quite a bit of resolve and spine. Obviously, people with my point of view are going to be the ones that eventually do resolve this problem, with terminal consequences for our enemies. LB, I want a world that is peaceful, more open minded etc more than you do! I have more at stake to be honest, at this point in time. But when it comes time to deal out the necessary "justice" that will be required to keep you and I as free peoples, my true point is that I for one will want people "on board" with the idea of "thats what it does in fact take" to end this situation. Pussy footing around these people will only get more folks like you and I murdered.
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Post by Billy_Yank on Nov 2, 2001 16:17:12 GMT -5
To paraphrase a sig from usenet: "The fact that he is fluffy only enhances the level of evil."
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Post by Ronn_Bman on Nov 2, 2001 17:22:14 GMT -5
According to terrorists, it's a bad time to be American or associated with American's. <br> They are soooooooooooo WRONG! ;D
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Post by Zoras on Nov 2, 2001 19:46:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately Maigan, Australia IS seen as a staunch supporter of the US. Singapore has fears that it may be a target soon as well, given that we have offered logistical and base support to the US. Security has been stepped up considerably since the 9/11 attacks, and I should know firsthand, since I do regular stints at guard duty for my camp.
I'm leery of the gun law being repealed in Australia though. The WORST thing to have is a city full of jittery people all carrying guns. I also have to agree with pedro though. On the day following the attack, there were many fights in Brisbane because several Muslim groups said they supported the US bombings and praised Osama. So there might be more followers of his cause in Australia than you might think.
Be careful.
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